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		<title>By: Ian Selvarajah</title>
		<link>http://ianselvarajah.com/2009/12/social-entrepreneurship-is-stupid-according-to-penelope-trunk.html/comment-page-1/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Selvarajah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Briac&lt;/b&gt; - Sounds like you&#039;re going back to products (widgets or shelters). Again, I&#039;m referring more to an ideology. Let me try to break down your points to clarify:

1) widget sales -&gt; money -&gt; charity (if the ultimate goal is to give away the money to charity and &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; shareholders, then I would consider it a social enterprise whether the widgets are candies or shelters. The product itself is not what makes you a social enterprise.

2) Google&#039;s mission is not to &lt;i&gt;&quot;make the world a better place&quot;&lt;/i&gt; last I checked? Google&#039;s mission is to: &lt;i&gt;&quot;organize the world&#039;s information and make it universally accessible and useful&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. BUT- they&#039;re a great example of an enterprise doing amazing work in social development:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.org/about.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google.org&lt;/a&gt; - Part of Google&#039;s initial vision was to &lt;i&gt;&quot;contribute significant resources, including &lt;b&gt;1%&lt;/b&gt; of Google&#039;s equity and profits in some form, as well as employee time, to address some of the world&#039;s most urgent problems&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

As you know, just 1% of Google&#039;s equity/profits is huge. That 1% could potentially accomplish much more than a social enterprise or a non-profit could. But again, this is the &lt;b&gt;distinction&lt;/b&gt; between an enterprise (with an amazing social conscience!) vs. a true social enterprise.

Since this is an emerging field, there are a few definitions floating around, but the core ideas are the same. My article idea is to look at this at a more micro/personal level, which is something people may be able to relate to better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Briac</b> &#8211; Sounds like you&#8217;re going back to products (widgets or shelters). Again, I&#8217;m referring more to an ideology. Let me try to break down your points to clarify:</p>
<p>1) widget sales -> money -> charity (if the ultimate goal is to give away the money to charity and <b>not</b> shareholders, then I would consider it a social enterprise whether the widgets are candies or shelters. The product itself is not what makes you a social enterprise.</p>
<p>2) Google&#8217;s mission is not to <i>&#8220;make the world a better place&#8221;</i> last I checked? Google&#8217;s mission is to: <i>&#8220;organize the world&#8217;s information and make it universally accessible and useful&#8221;</i>. BUT- they&#8217;re a great example of an enterprise doing amazing work in social development:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.org/about.html" rel="nofollow">Google.org</a> &#8211; Part of Google&#8217;s initial vision was to <i>&#8220;contribute significant resources, including <b>1%</b> of Google&#8217;s equity and profits in some form, as well as employee time, to address some of the world&#8217;s most urgent problems&#8221;</i></p>
<p>As you know, just 1% of Google&#8217;s equity/profits is huge. That 1% could potentially accomplish much more than a social enterprise or a non-profit could. But again, this is the <b>distinction</b> between an enterprise (with an amazing social conscience!) vs. a true social enterprise.</p>
<p>Since this is an emerging field, there are a few definitions floating around, but the core ideas are the same. My article idea is to look at this at a more micro/personal level, which is something people may be able to relate to better.</p>
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		<title>By: Briac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it, core values, I guess that&#039;s a good definition. So we&#039;re not talking about core purpose then (by this I mean not our ideology but what do we create as a business)? Could you be a social enterprise if you sale widgets, considering that it has no &quot;social impact&quot; in itself but you can transform part of your profit into valuable social action (i.e widget sales -&gt; money -&gt; charity)? Does your mission statement have to be &quot;Producing widget to give away as much widgets as we can for the widget-needy&quot;? Or else, to be a Social enterprise you have to have a social purpose (ie &quot;We produce shelters&quot;)
When Google says its mission is to &quot;make the world a better place&quot;, does that make Google a Social enterprise by definition?

If the article idea you got is to write a definition of Social Entrepreneurship, kudos in advance! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it, core values, I guess that&#8217;s a good definition. So we&#8217;re not talking about core purpose then (by this I mean not our ideology but what do we create as a business)? Could you be a social enterprise if you sale widgets, considering that it has no &#8220;social impact&#8221; in itself but you can transform part of your profit into valuable social action (i.e widget sales -> money -> charity)? Does your mission statement have to be &#8220;Producing widget to give away as much widgets as we can for the widget-needy&#8221;? Or else, to be a Social enterprise you have to have a social purpose (ie &#8220;We produce shelters&#8221;)<br />
When Google says its mission is to &#8220;make the world a better place&#8221;, does that make Google a Social enterprise by definition?</p>
<p>If the article idea you got is to write a definition of Social Entrepreneurship, kudos in advance! <img src='http://ianselvarajah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hadi Azar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadi Azar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have lent you Super Corp but i&#039;m planning to read it on the flight to Lebanon! :P I&#039;ll let you know when i&#039;m back; if you haven&#039;t read it your more than welcome to borrow my copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have lent you Super Corp but i&#8217;m planning to read it on the flight to Lebanon! <img src='http://ianselvarajah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ll let you know when i&#8217;m back; if you haven&#8217;t read it your more than welcome to borrow my copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Selvarajah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Selvarajah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Hadi&lt;/strong&gt; - Thanks for the information. I&#039;m actually looking for books to read during the holidays. I may have to put Super Corps on the list!

Another one on the topic that has been recommended is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Creating-World-Without-Poverty-Capitalism/dp/1586486675/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creating a World Without Poverty&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muhammad Yunus&lt;/a&gt; who created the concept of microcredit and founded the Grameen Bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Hadi</strong> &#8211; Thanks for the information. I&#8217;m actually looking for books to read during the holidays. I may have to put Super Corps on the list!</p>
<p>Another one on the topic that has been recommended is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Creating-World-Without-Poverty-Capitalism/dp/1586486675/" rel="nofollow">Creating a World Without Poverty</a> by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus" rel="nofollow">Muhammad Yunus</a> who created the concept of microcredit and founded the Grameen Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadi Azar</title>
		<link>http://ianselvarajah.com/2009/12/social-entrepreneurship-is-stupid-according-to-penelope-trunk.html/comment-page-1/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadi Azar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed both the Post and the quick explanation.
Briac, I would suggest you look up Rosabeth Kanter. She is encouraging Social Enterprises and has documented the benefits of being a sustainable business. She even shows how during the recent economic crises most of these &quot;Super Corps&quot; (also the name of her recent book) as she calls them survived due to the fact that they are &quot;sustainable&quot;.

See you soon gentlemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed both the Post and the quick explanation.<br />
Briac, I would suggest you look up Rosabeth Kanter. She is encouraging Social Enterprises and has documented the benefits of being a sustainable business. She even shows how during the recent economic crises most of these &#8220;Super Corps&#8221; (also the name of her recent book) as she calls them survived due to the fact that they are &#8220;sustainable&#8221;.</p>
<p>See you soon gentlemen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Selvarajah</title>
		<link>http://ianselvarajah.com/2009/12/social-entrepreneurship-is-stupid-according-to-penelope-trunk.html/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Selvarajah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Briac&lt;/b&gt; - Thanks for the comment!

I would say that the key difference in a social enterprise is where the priorities / core values lie. In a typical business (and rightfully so) the objective is to increase shareholder value. In a social enterprise, the objective is to be sustainable (which usually means making a profit!) in order to achieve your social objectives.

Thus, &#039;doing good&#039; is more of a core objective rather than a byproduct. You mentioned customers, labour, land, etc. - which is a byproduct of any enterprise profit/non-profit/social.

Example: If I produce widgets for $5 and people are willing to pay $25 for them. That&#039;s good business. However, would I be willing to sell (or see it as donating part of your profits) the same widget for $10 (and lose $10 of profit) to less fortunate people?

Or, like the Tom&#039;s Shoes model, for each widget I sell, I give one away and still make $15 profit. It all depends what your objectives are.

If my priority is to increase shareholder value, I certainly shouldn&#039;t sacrifice my profits. However, if my objective is to make sure the product is getting into as many hands as possible &lt;b&gt;while being sustainable&lt;/b&gt; that&#039;s more like a social enterprise.

This comment is already long as it is, but you&#039;ve given me an idea for another post! Stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Briac</b> &#8211; Thanks for the comment!</p>
<p>I would say that the key difference in a social enterprise is where the priorities / core values lie. In a typical business (and rightfully so) the objective is to increase shareholder value. In a social enterprise, the objective is to be sustainable (which usually means making a profit!) in order to achieve your social objectives.</p>
<p>Thus, &#8216;doing good&#8217; is more of a core objective rather than a byproduct. You mentioned customers, labour, land, etc. &#8211; which is a byproduct of any enterprise profit/non-profit/social.</p>
<p>Example: If I produce widgets for $5 and people are willing to pay $25 for them. That&#8217;s good business. However, would I be willing to sell (or see it as donating part of your profits) the same widget for $10 (and lose $10 of profit) to less fortunate people?</p>
<p>Or, like the Tom&#8217;s Shoes model, for each widget I sell, I give one away and still make $15 profit. It all depends what your objectives are.</p>
<p>If my priority is to increase shareholder value, I certainly shouldn&#8217;t sacrifice my profits. However, if my objective is to make sure the product is getting into as many hands as possible <b>while being sustainable</b> that&#8217;s more like a social enterprise.</p>
<p>This comment is already long as it is, but you&#8217;ve given me an idea for another post! Stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: Briac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, it&#039;s been a few weeks I&#039;m reading your blog, seeing Guy Kawasaki&#039;s talk, reading a few stuff online about social entrepreneurship etc... And I can&#039;t get a clear view of what it is. When you say &quot;profit is a means not an end&quot;, I&#039;ve seen that in my first business course, in a well-known article from Peter Drucker &quot;Purpose of a Business&quot;. So in the end, if you consider that business are organizations, people together accomplishing something of value for the society (there is no business without customers, labor, land etc), and that in today&#039;s world profit is just a means for somekind of darwinist selection, only the best (profitable) organizations survive etc, then what really makes the difference?
Or maybe Drucker is just a moralist and the reality is different from its theory... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, it&#8217;s been a few weeks I&#8217;m reading your blog, seeing Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s talk, reading a few stuff online about social entrepreneurship etc&#8230; And I can&#8217;t get a clear view of what it is. When you say &#8220;profit is a means not an end&#8221;, I&#8217;ve seen that in my first business course, in a well-known article from Peter Drucker &#8220;Purpose of a Business&#8221;. So in the end, if you consider that business are organizations, people together accomplishing something of value for the society (there is no business without customers, labor, land etc), and that in today&#8217;s world profit is just a means for somekind of darwinist selection, only the best (profitable) organizations survive etc, then what really makes the difference?<br />
Or maybe Drucker is just a moralist and the reality is different from its theory&#8230; <img src='http://ianselvarajah.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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